I read WB's post on Camelot and want to say I too agree with his KB ratings.  A new group of kb bar buddies and I have been hitting the Kapiolani area every few weeks. We have hit all the same KB's.  Of note though, is we started last week at Tomorrow and it had some very nice young stuff.   I rank Tomorrow about even with D'Armour.  We were just drinking/eating so really did not test out the girls. They looked good and we plan to go back for a better look in the future.  Also Evergreen has three russian and one french hostess working.  All seem to know the game somewhat according to patty mama.  They show up late though after 10pm.  Also met a Seechung at Maya's, quiet, pretty but seems to be a playa. If anyone has any info on her I would like to hear it.

Visited some kalihi bars last night.  There were many changes to bars and the bar names. 

Club Something.  What a name huh.  It is located in the old ce la' vie (or whatever the heck that name was).   Nice bar, looks like new carpets.  It is run by sunny, the former owner of club safari.  Girls were so-so, one or two not bad looking ones but the rest were older or porkers, while some of the porkers weren't bad looking they need to lose some weight and they would look okay.  A few regulars from the other bars around town, no, I didn't sit with them before and won't sit with them now.  Parking in the evenings are free in the lot diamond head side of the building. 

Club Clique.  Now located in the old Kools lounge/london hub/U N I on kalani street, across from woodwork.  Older women.  The better looking girls were busy with customers (kind of stretching it when I said better looking ones though).   A number of girls who were working at Clique when it was by kapalama canal.  When I walked in they tried to get me to sit with an older girl (ugh) so I kept walking.  Then they tried to ask me why I didn't stay, I told them I was looking for a friend and they still tried to get me to sit but I declined.  Doubt if it's worth visiting again for another 6 months.  

club 1 to go?  ....2 for 1?  I forget what the name was.  It's the old Vegas II bar across from Clique on Kalani Street.  Had one real young nice looking girl working but I figured no play from her.  She was hiding out in one of the rooms and only came out for a drink or bathroom break.  Strange because the mama didn't try to get her to sit with anyone, she kind of looked unhappy like she didn't want to be there.  Before I left they wanted me to sit with her but I declined, didn't want to waste my $$ just for conversation.  The other girls all looked like regulars.  Didn't seem to have as many girls as on previous visits, they used to hang out in the booth by the fish tank but this time didn't have anyone there.   Had one drunk older girl with a gutter mouth, complaining to her customer about spending money on drinks.  If I was him I would just get up and walk out but he ordered some food so had to stay for a bit.  She kept swearing using the f word loudly every few minutes.  Guess a gutter mouthed girl doesn't turn me on.

Club 1st time.  The old cheers station.  had a few girls, a number of regular ones.  Tall girl nicole from evergreen/camelot still working there, now called coco.  Some decent looking girls working but they were busy with customers.  Now probably one of the better bars to visit in kalihi although not as many girls as before.  Heard that more talent comes in on friday/saturday but I'm not sure. 

CK lounge.  yeech, I still have thought of roaches.  I visited the bar a year or two ago when they had an anniversary or grand opening.  When I was eating a plate a roach came out from under the bar and started walking along the counter until he came near my plate.  If I wasn't looking he probably could have gotted into my plate, even then I checked my plate to see if there were roaches in them.   The place seems more of a rat trap so walked through but didn't stay, I recognized some girls, some local girls too, they were only good for conversation but no play available so I didn't stick around. 

Club Pisces.  The old Club Cleopatra.  Wow, where did the girls go?  This place was hopping a few months ago with some decent girls.  This time there were only a few girls and they weren't that great looking.

Club Imperial.  Next to Pisces, it used to be safari.  At least they opened up the parking lot again but beware where you park as only a handful of stalls are for the bars.  From what I understand there are some tow truck drivers that will tow your car away if it's parked in the wrong stalls.  Imperial had their stall numbers listed by the door but I just parked on the street so I won't make a mistake.  Maybe 1 or 2 girls working but nothing worth mentioning.  I walked in and out, didn't even want to sit and drink there. 

Club Chocolate.  It's the old club Clique on kapalama canal.  Girls were also so-so.  layout still the same as before. 

Ran out of time and didn't get around to the waiakamilo street bars, maybe next time.  But from the bars I visited Kalihi looks kind of sparse lately.  

Forgot to add:  Kapalama Lounge (above 1st time) changed names, I forget what the name is now.  They had the door above 1st time open so could look a little.  Like before it still seems like a sports bar/hangout bar and I really doubt it's worth sitting with the girls there unless you want conversation.   

    Checked out a few around town;

    Splash -  Good quantity/quality. If you are missing a cutie from Kalihi (Cleopatra, 1st time, cheers) they are probably here (or Mayas) Seems like most of the younger decent ones have given up on Kalihi.  I did see Coco and Yuri of first time/cheers at C&K.  Otherwise they are here.  I like this place better than Mayas.  Don't really know the girls, but Jamie and Michelle look good to me, not sure if they play.

    Camelot -  Went on a so so nite with only so -so hostesses for this place. So overall ok but not really feeling it.

    Mayas -  Still the most young stuff but not sure about play in here, so not for me.

    Damour -  dead, sad, dead.  Not really worth the effort, although two cuties Amanda and Sylvia work bartendars/hostess.  Not sure if any play but only two worth spending $$ imo.

    Butterfly - Actually has made a comeback imo and now is 3rd on my list after Splash/Camelot.  Dallas still available.  Got a Hj in the corner from the bartendar Diane.  Others availlable for similar service.  Mari a nice girl lets you play with her, but no rub action yet.  Her friend Gia more playful.

    Casino - about equal to Damour mayble slightly better.

     Crystal Palace -  Still a decent place to hang,, lots of space. decent quality, Nalani still here. Heard Faith is now a gambling house landlord. 

   

WB,

But you and you other long-timers-in-the-bar  - you know so many of the girls, women, mamas - How do you keep from not being hounded when they see you coming? 

My friend who I hang with in the bars knows many of the girls and I've been told by my 'friends' about how they talk
stink about him - he does not treat them with much respect, I don't like the way he is with them, but ignore it.

I see many girls here and there that I have spent money and time with, and I find it fine to be pleasant, say hello, but not to reach into the pocket again and again - some ask and I just say no.....the game has been fun, but I just don't have the desire as I once did to keep playing so hard - maybe I learned, or am still a dummy@!

TSboy, I agree, I don't have the desire to spend much money on the girls any more.   I usually go often enough that the mama and the regular girls don't bother me anymore.  The girls I sit with know that if I want them I would come and get them.   Lately I've been staying away from certain bars because the girls I know would hit me up for drinks.  New Casino because of Anna, Butterfly because of viet Lynn (now working there as of last week) and chinese girl Honey, Business (Crystal Palace) because of Kathryn and Cleopatra because of one or two girls there.   While these girls are nice to sit with once and a while I don't want to be obligated to spend money on them every time I go into the bar.  I don't want to tell them to get lost as I get some action when I want so don't want to spoil it but sometimes I just want to cruise and sit and enjoy the view without having to spend money. 

I usually like to go to Camelot and Maya's because the girls don't bother me, the K girls see me enough to not bother me and the other girls usually don't come up to bother me.   To get rid of some that keep pestering me I usually start playing with them and usually that turns off the girl, plus she would tell the other girls not to sit with me as I want to play.  Most then stay away but one or two that don't mind the play come by. 

I also go to evergreen as they mostly have regular girls there so they don't bother me.  Kind of irritates me lately, Bebe, chunky but has nice natural boobs wants me to massage her but in the process she goes up to get a drink and expects me to pay for it.  She made a comment this past saturday about me not wanting to massage her and I finally told her that I don't mind giving her a massage but I won't buy her drinks, that she should pay me for the massage, and that I wasn't stupid enough to give her a free massage AND buy her drinks (my words:  wtf, you think I'm stupid?).  After that she didn't bother me. 

On the minus side many nice girls won't come up to me or won't sit with me when I ask because they know what I want or because I'm a regular they don't want to have anything to do with me (they know they can't con the regular customers as easily as the other customers).   There are also some of the ROB girls that would come by and give a feel or two and drink like a fish.  These girls get one chance with me and I will never sit with them again, real dumb of them just to make a quick buck. 

AK, you get bbbj from Sandy at Secrets?  How much do you pay?  I don't mind sitting with her but usually I don't get much action from her, other than some boob and hj action, but very short and limited.    As for Evergreen and Fran, I dunno, she seems to be looking kind of old to me nowadays, looks like she is starting to age. 

Does Butterfly Honey go to Evergreen after 2?  I had the pleasure of meeting her.  Silly me didn't realize she's Chinese.  Figured she's Korean like most of the others.  Nice to hang out with.  She's also been my $60+ taxi driver, since she's taken me home after Evergreen closes.  Too bad she didn't come inside.  Said she lives Waianae and drives an Accord (I think).

Yoda, that's the same girl.  Decent to look at but you can tell she is starting to age. 

Kind of strange too as you get to know her.  She has too many rules for engagement, lol.  No FIV as she says that she gets a rash.  No DATY for the same reason.  She will give a hj in the booths (lame though and not tc).   Requires a special condom when getting FS for the same reasons as above.  No I haven't had the opportunity to do her but was kind of turned off by her "rules" that I didn't bother and I try not to sit with her anymore. 

She does live in waianae, guess she gets free rent or something.  Has an accord but it's not under her name (wow, what a surprise, lol), under a guy's name so either he is a bf or something.  she works at butterfly from wed - sat (which means that I visit Butterfly only from sun - tues, lol) and is usually there from 9 I think.   Since butterfly has been slow the past few months she sometimes works at evergreen after 2 am. 

She initially worked at evergreen a year or two ago but had some issues with Miki mama (mama wanted her to put out) so she left, plus she wasn't making much money there as she didn't play as much as the other chinese girls.  In fact she didn't play at all when she first worked at evergreen but finally realized that many customers won't spend much money for just talking with a girl.   She doesn't seem to do much at butterfly (and evergreen), I don't see her going to the "special" booths for some action but with Butterfly being slow she seems to get customers that just sit with her and don't play much. 


TS, I did the play thing in Hilo a year or two ago, at that newer korean bar near Ken's house of pancakes, was it koreana?  I forget.   Some girls came up to me with the hard sell and they wouldn't take no for an answer so with one I just goosed her and grabbed her boobs and she backed off and they didn't bother me after that.   After that it seemed a good way to get rid of the aggressive girls in honolulu.